HUGE balance [split from main thread]

[Darkest_97]

What range is the HUGE designed for? At point blank it still takes about 5 seconds to kill someone, which is more then enough time for them to kill you. At longer ranges it goes worse and worse.

Its designed for close to somewhat medium range, like the shotgun. If you aim for the face it takes about 2 sec to kill someone, like the shotgun. If you try to kill someone when they aren't looking directly at you, then they wont get a chance to kill you, kinda like the shotgun. The HUGE gets worse at a longer range just like the shotgun.

Maybe im saying we need to change the shotgun, but im not. I'd rather not make the people that can kill an entire server with a HUGE more powerful.

[eeny]

Its designed for close to somewhat medium range, like the shotgun. If you aim for the face it takes about 2 sec to kill someone, like the shotgun. If you try to kill someone when they aren't looking directly at you, then they wont get a chance to kill you, kinda like the shotgun. The HUGE gets worse at a longer range just like the shotgun.

Maybe im saying we need to change the shotgun, but im not. I'd rather not make the people that can kill an entire server with a HUGE more powerful.

The only flaw here is that if you aim for the head with the huge, your gonna miss and die.

And yes, I'm one of the people who can clear entire rooms with it.

[Raneman]

Saying you should get headshots with the HUGE is like saying you should try to shoot someone's mask (from chiefeh's mod) with the poltergeist- it's insanely hard and unreliable.

[ball2hi]

The only flaw here is that if you aim for the head with the huge, your gonna miss and die.

And yes, I'm one of the people who can clear entire rooms with it.

This, I can clear entire rooms with it and rape people and STILL make it out without being known I'm the traitor. I'll still vouch though for the fact that the HUGE needs to have bullet penetration and 1-2 damage increase per bullet, or more, what ever BKU feels would be best.

[Bad King Urgrain]

Bullet penetration is not going to happen, too many headaches on the technical side that I can't be bothered with.

[Tigermisu]

The MAC10 is a rapid fire MG

So why not decrease the rate of fire of the HUGE, and increase its bullet damage by 5-7.

[eeny]

The MAC10 is a rapid fire MG

So why not decrease the rate of fire of the HUGE, and increase its bullet damage by 5-7.

Then it encroaches on M16 territory.

[Raneman]

How much damage does the huge normally do? How many shots does it take to kill someone at 100 health? Increase that damage so that it takes two less shots or so.

[ball2hi]

How much damage does the huge normally do? How many shots does it take to kill someone at 100 health? Increase that damage so that it takes two less shots or so.

Two or less shots? Wtf? It fires roughly (Random estimate) about 20 bullets a second, and takes 2-3 seconds to kill someone? Never actually took the time to time it correctly.

[Raneman]

I'll have to do some experimenting with it. Anyone have the file for the HUGE?

[Killroy]

Why don't you pick one up in an empty server with a friend and check the old fasioned way?

[Darkebrz]

I'd have to say I'm one of those people who can clear a room with a H.U.G.E. and do it all the time. It's the only gun that's useful for those situations when you have a tight group of 4 people, and a health station in the middle.
It honestly probably just isn't your gun, but it doesn't need a buff.

[ball2hi]

BKU, I dont know how or where to look but can you tell us the default Bullets per Second and damage per bullet for the HUGE?

[GrayScare0]

I'd have to say I'm one of those people who can clear a room with a H.U.G.E. and do it all the time. It's the only gun that's useful for those situations when you have a tight group of 4 people, and a health station in the middle.
It honestly probably just isn't your gun, but it doesn't need a buff.

Killing 4 people together?  You best hope they are terrible players, otherwise you're dead.  Not to say you SHOULD be able to do this or that it's a reason to improve the HUGE, just that you're exaggerating.

[hayhay89]

BKU, I dont know how or where to look but can you tell us the default Bullets per Second and damage per bullet for the HUGE?

\garrysmod\gamemodes\terrortown\entities\weapons\weapon_zm_sledge

[ball2hi]

SWEP.Primary.Damage = 11
SWEP.Primary.Delay = 0.055

I believe that's what I was looking for.

11 Damage per bullet, bullet fire every 0.055 seconds. So normally if every shot were to land, it'd kill a player in 0.5 seconds. Problem being is, that's if 10 bullets land immediately as you begin firing, and with the HUGE's recoil and the terrible hit boxes, that can be a problem. Normally taking 30-50 bullets to kill a single innocent if you fuck up. Resulting in 1.65s - 2.75s which is long enough for a Deagle / Shotgun / Sniper headshot or being called out. Although a Shotgun shot is less likely as if they're actually that close, you probably landed your 10 bullets off the bat.

Although... here is the MAC10

SWEP.Primary.Damage      = 15
SWEP.Primary.Delay       = 0.065

If all bullets land, the MAC10 kills someone in 0.455s. Why is the MAC10 overpowering the HUGE? It just seems that the HUGE is a MAC10 without the need to reload, and is downgraded in every other aspect.


Am I doing this math right?

[Tigermisu]

I see the HUGE Usually do 7s, probably the multiplier is lower at the chest/legs.

[ball2hi]

I see the HUGE Usually do 7s, probably the multiplier is lower at the chest/legs.

Maybe at the times you were wearing the Detective / Traitor body armor? -30% makes the damage 7.7 which I dont know if it's rounded up or down, but if you say 7's then it's rounded down.

[Darkebrz]

Killing 4 people together?  You best hope they are terrible players, otherwise you're dead.  Not to say you SHOULD be able to do this or that it's a reason to improve the HUGE, just that you're exaggerating.

I'm not exaggerating it isn't hard to do.

[Raneman]

Yes, you are exaggerating.