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Rectal Exambot
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« on: August 05, 2010, 09:57:52 AM »

The way Karma works is currently... frustrating to say the least. The changes I would like made would be this.

If an innocent does 10 or more damage to you, you should be able to kill them and lose no karma.

If an innocent killed another innocent, you should be able to kill them and lose no karma.

That is all.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 10:34:26 AM »

You lose less karma if you kill an innocent with bad karma.

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Rectal Exambot
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 10:41:19 AM »

You lose less karma if you kill an innocent with bad karma.


I don't see this is relevant but okay
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 10:49:49 AM »

And losing less karma means you don't get a big damage penalty which means it doesn't matter need it more dumb downed?

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Rectal Exambot
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2010, 11:17:21 AM »

My bad I misread that, but people don't lose much karma if they hit you once, and they just do it so you kill them
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 11:36:00 AM »

I see your point.

Guy 1 hits Guy 2.
'HEY! WHY DID YOU HIT ME, DOUCHE'
Guy 2 kills Guy 1.
'FUCK HE WAS INNOCENT'
Guy 2 loses karma.

It shouldn't be that way.

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Rectal Exambot
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2010, 11:49:22 AM »

I often find trolls/griefers/minges hit you once to make you think they are traitor, then when you kill them you lose all the karma.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2010, 11:50:33 AM »

If an innocent does 10 or more damage to you, you should be able to kill them and lose no karma.

Guy 1 is shooting at at someone, or throws a grenade, etc.
Guy 2 intentionally jumps into the line of fire and gets hit.
Guy 2 kills Guy 1 without punishment.

Alternatively, Guy 2 shoots you in the leg with a pistol, doing something like 5 damage. He knows this is not enough to trigger your rule. Guy 1 kills him and still gets punished.

Broken rule, rewards trolls.

I'm not going to get into a long winded discussion on this topic. Every system and rule you can think of will be exploitable. It's not that bad for the karma system as-is, and any change is going to make it worse. "Any change"? Yes, because I've already thought of anything you might suggest when I designed the karma system. The mechanics are based on a lot of discussion and experimentation. They work decently, and that's as good as it's going to get.
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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2010, 12:11:38 PM »

Yes, you win this round, in the mean time I will keep yelling at the server admins
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